Stumbled across this podcast of my friend Tavis talking OD&D. Have a listen- it's good stuff.
Tavis Allison on OD&D
Author: DHBoggs /Stumbled across this podcast of my friend Tavis talking OD&D. Have a listen- it's good stuff.
More Beyond This Point be Dragon News
Author: DHBoggs / Labels: Beyond This Point Be Dragons, History
Long story short: the good news is that at least one other copy of the Beyond This Point be Dragons manuscript has turned up - in the possession of Mark Bufkin's daughter Heather. The bad news is that according to Heather, it is missing the same pages as the Keith Dalluhn copy. (I can't verify that they are exactly identical, but am hopeful Heather will forward a pdf when she is able to make a copy).
There is more good news however, Heather has a lot of her dad's gaming materials including a key outline of the manuscript I'll share with you below. Here for your enjoyment are some excerpts from Heather from our ongoing conversation.
"Dad was a Twin Cities native who moved to Duluth in his senior year of high school. I don't know if he had any gaming history in the Cities prior to college.
When I was in high school and got into roleplaying, Dad proudly gave me all his old materials, including this manuscript, which yes I still have. I remember him telling me one of his gaming buddies was from Wisconsin and friends with one of the D&D creators, and they playtested an early version of the game, but didn't particularly care for some of the structure so they wrote their own version. I was sure the one in the pink binder, the one you're talking about, was his adaptation, but then a couple years ago I spotted an image of the cover on a display board about early D&D and assumed it was the playtest draft instead. I guess it turns out it was Dad's after all.
So, bad news. The copy I have is exactly as incomplete as yours.... From some of the other materials I found, it seems possible BTPbD was never finished.
I remember asking him about the artwork and he said one of his friends did it. He did draw the maps, however. A LOT of maps. I have all the originals and they're very detailed, Tolkien-esque work. He was a big LOTR fan as well as C.S. Lewis; he read the Narnia books to me as I was growing up and they were indeed one of his favorite series.
Actually now I'm second-guessing myself. He might have done some of the art; it might only be one particular piece that he didn't (or did) do.
I saw some speculation on linked pages that there might have been another typist, but Dad was a newspaperman, news editor of the Statesman at one point, and made a lot of his own posters and things, so I'm certain he typed and put it together himself. It's some of those posters that's making me hesitate to say he didn't draw any of the art, although he might have asked his artist friend to do those as well for all I know.
This is incredibly awesome and I'm happy to share what I can with the community. Dad would never have imagined there'd be so much interest in something he threw together in college.
Thanks again for contacting me."
I think it is very important to note what Heather said about "not caring for the structure" of the D&D game as he knew it. It is evident from what has been revealed about Gygax's "Guidon D&D" draft, that it was structurally a bit of a mess (a characteristic, not coincidentally, the printed version of D&D is also much criticized for). Mark Bufkin, being a journalist, evidently chaffed at the poor organization of the text to the extent that he was motivated to reorganize it himself, and in the process, rework any dependencies on polyhedral dice to standard six siders - as Chuck Monson had explained. The bulk of the text of BTPbD is otherwise unchanged from that of GD&D (with a number of interesting exceptions to be sure).
In fact I think it has always been clear that BTPbD is distinctively well organized and appeared to be a distinct and deliberate branch of development, as I've said from the start. While it was argued by some that the structural and textual improvements in BTPbD could be explained away as part of the normal "churn" of an intermediary draft prepped by Gygax, that conclusion seemed more wishfully than factually based. It seems Heather's comments cement what we already know about the manuscript, that its creation involved a strong motivation for reorganization.
To this end Heather has been kind enough to send along something else - a picture of Mark Bufkin's working outline of "Book II" of the text:
There's several things to note here. Let's start with the heading titles and page numbers - they match exactly those of the manuscript, including the missing illustration on page 22. Another thing sure to be noted is the fact that we now know what sections were intended to follow "The Baron and the Lord", which is the last section in our existing copy of BTPbD. This included a section for the endgame of Clerics, a discussion of "other creatures" and more notes for the referee. It seems likely these were never actually written, but perhaps a bit more digging will let us know for sure. One clue is that these sections were added to the outline with an orange pen, and probably indicate the plan of a work in progress, as if the outline had been made just prior to the completion of Page 28 - The Rewards of Success illustration.
In any case this new information helps us really nail down the intended scope and purpose of Mark Bufkin's revision.
When Arneson set up his economy for Blackmoor, he had plenty of experience to draw on from his Napoleonics campaign. He choose however to use gold as the standard currency, not the pounds Sterling he used for Napoleonics. In many ways his economy was a blank slate and so he picked nice round figures to work with. For example,a village of 3000 "men" produced an even 3000 GP in taxes. Arneson set up his prices for things and wages paid, accordingly, no doubt as he thought best. However, when it came to the costs of hiring troops to build armies, he cheated a bit and simply borrowed the point costs of CHAINMAIL for the cost of his troops and some equipment.
Sure, it was an entirely practical thing for Arneson to borrow from CHAINMAIL and works well enough for setting up a few wargames, but somehow the problem was made even worse when Gygax reworked Arneson's figures for the first print of D&D as shown in the table below:
Game Element
|
CM Cost (points)
|
Blackmoor Cost (Gold)
|
OD&D
|
Light Foot
|
1
|
10
|
2
|
Heavy Foot
|
2
|
25
|
3
|
Armored Foot
|
2.5
|
32
|
5
|
Light Horse
|
3
|
25
|
10
|
Medium Horse
|
4
|
40
|
15
|
Heavy Horse
|
5
|
55
|
20
|
Pike
|
1
|
10
|
|
Arquibus/Crossbow
|
1.5
|
15
|
4
|
Bow
|
3
|
25
|
5
|
Long/Composite bow
|
4
|
40
|
10
|
Lt. Catapult/Cannon
|
15
|
150
|
|
Hv Catapult/Cannon
|
20
|
200
|
|
Bombard
|
30
|
300
|
Now granted, there's something of an apples to oranges comparison going on here because in CHAINMAIL, the cost is per "figure" which represents a one time purchase of 10 or 40 actual soldiers. Furthermore, the OD&D costs are not a "purchase" cost but rather a monthly fee for an individual soldier - more of a support and upkeep cost per man than per figure. Nevertheless these lists are clearly related Although the Blackmoor list represented a one time purchase cost that appears to be prices for individual soldiers, Gygax may well have thought they were for figures of 10 men, or perhaps that it was a recurring cost, judging from the difference between the OD&D and Blackmoor lists.
In any case, the OD&D prices have always been problematical. Simply put, they don't make any sense in terms of the rest of the economy.
Perhaps the most obvious problem is that players could field unrealistically massive armies quite cheaply, when, for example, it costs less to buy a soldier for a month of service than is does to buy a pack of rations for a week. Even assuming the original Blackmoor price costs or a 100 gp hireling fee or some other up front expense, the montthly OD&D fee remains woefully inadequate.
The way to fix the problem is of course to increase the hiring cost of soldiers and the frequency of the upkeep fee. The question then becomes a matter of how much.
The solution chosen by some is to attempt to base both initial cost and monthly support and upkeep on medieval data. Such data however is far from straightforward, and liable to give a wide range of costs.
I propose a more Twin Cities solution. In the 3rd Anniversary issue of CotT, Arneson gives a "recap of the Napoleonic Campaign rules Jan 15 1971" that begins with a price list. The prices given in the list are all in Pounds Sterling. However, those of you with long memories might remember the post I wrote HERE comparing the cost of building a mid 18th century stone fortress in the "wilderness" of North America with the costs and artisan wages of building the same wilderness fortress according the tables in OD&D. You may also remember that doing so gave us a conversion rate of 8.3 Gold Pieces per Pound Sterling. Now granted, there would likely be a bit of inflation between 1760 and 1800, but as the values are fairly general to begin with, I don/t think it's worth quibbling over a few percent difference, so I'll assume a pound is a pound.
It's possible then to look to Arneson's napoleonic troop costs and convert them to gold pieces, as shown in the table below:
Arneson's List
|
MMSA
Napoleonic
Pounds
Sterling
|
MMSA
converted to gp (8.3)
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Light
Foot
|
5
|
42
|
Heavy
Foot
|
5
|
42
|
Armored
Foot
|
5
|
42
|
Light
Horse
|
13
|
108
|
Medium
Horse
|
15
|
125
|
Heavy
Horse
|
21
|
175
|
War
horse
|
15
|
125
|
Draft
Horse
|
15
|
125
|
Arquibus/Crossbow
|
1
|
8
|
Lt.
Catapult/Cannon
|
97
(6pdr)
|
805
|
Hv
Catapult/Cannon
|
190
(12pdr)
|
1577
|
Bombard
|
380
(42pdr)
|
3154
|
Randy Hoffa's list
|
Florins
|
Pounds (.025)
|
In GP (8.3)
|
Horse equip (tack & saddle
|
178
|
4.45
|
37
|
wagon (2 horse)
|
1600
|
40
|
332
|
Harness
|
76
|
1.9
|
16
|
Alright, for our purposes it's simplest just to assume a base 5% Support cost for everybody. That would mean our cavalry, sailors, and specialty troops would have a support cost of 10%, per the doubling rule mentioned above. Further, any troops being deployed, as they most likely would be in a D&D game, have these rates tippled. So infantry and so forth would have a yearly support cost of 5% when garrisoned, and 15% in the field; likewise cavalry support costs 10% in garrison and 30% in the field.
That's not the end of it though. In addition to the support cost, there is also a yearly Upkeep and Replacement cost of 5% to cover worn out equipment and worn out men. We can add that to our costs above. Working all this out and using the figures from the tables above we get the following table:
Game
Element & Percent
|
Purchase
cost in GP)
|
Yearly
Support & Upkeep
Garrisoned/deployed
|
Light
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4.2/8.4
|
Heavy
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4.2/8.4
|
Armored
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4.5/9
|
Light
Horse 15/35
|
108
|
16.2/37.8
|
Medium
Horse 15/35
|
125
|
18.75/43.75
|
Heavy
Horse 15/35
|
175
|
26.25/61.25
|
War
horse
|
125
|
|
Draft
Horse
|
125
|
|
Arquibus/Crossbow
15/35
|
8
|
1.2/2.8
|
Lt.
Catapult/Cannon 15/35
|
805
|
120.75/281.75
|
Hv
Catapult/Cannon
15/35
|
1577
|
236.55/551.95
|
Bombard
15/35
|
3154
|
473.1/1103.9
|
Large
Wagon (w. 2 horses)
|
(332
Hoffa)
|
|
Tack
& Saddle
|
(37
Hoffa)
|
Game
Element & Percent
|
Purchase
cost in GP)
|
Support
& Upkeep
Garrisoned
|
Support
& Upkeep
Deployed
|
Light
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4
|
8.5
|
Heavy
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4
|
8.5
|
Armored
Foot 10/20
|
42
|
4.5
|
9
|
Light
Horse 15/35
|
108
|
16
|
38
|
Medium
Horse 15/35
|
125
|
19
|
44
|
Heavy
Horse 15/35
|
175
|
26
|
61
|
War
horse
|
125
|
||
Draft
Horse
|
125
|
||
Arquibus/Crossbow
15/35
|
8
|
1
|
3
|
Lt.
Catapult/Cannon 15/35
|
805
|
121
|
282
|
Hv
Catapult/Cannon
15/35
|
1577
|
236.5
|
552
|
Bombard
15/35
|
3154
|
473
|
1104
|
Large
Wagon (w. 2 horses)
|
(332
Hoffa)
|
||
Tack
& Saddle
|
(37
Hoffa)
|
So there's that. If Arneson had used his Napoleonic figures and converted from pounds to gold pieces, it should have come out about like the table above.
But hold on, those are yearly costs. And of course, if you divide these S & U costs by 12 to get a monthly figure you can see the support and upkeep is even less than that given in OD&D!
Which once again brings us back to the question of realism. In fact, the converted troop costs are much closer to historical norms than the troop costs based on CHAINMAIL points, but monthly S & U costs remain far too low, relative to the rest of the economy.
The fix is pretty simple, charge these Support and Upkeep costs monthly instead of yearly, and your D&D economy will be in balance. It will also help motivate those players to go out and get gold!
So next time your adventurers want to hire a dozen heavy footmen and a reliable warhorse and a wagon to haul their loot, ignore the D&D price lists and charge them the arm and leg they should be paying!
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